You Can't Say That!: Writers for Young People Talk About Censorship, Free Expression, and the Stories They Have to Tell

What happens when freedom of expression comes under threat? In frank and wide-ranging interviews, historian and critic Leonard S. Marcus probes the experience of thirteen leading authors of books for young people.

A powerful photo essay on transgender teens is called anti-religious and anti-family. A meticulously researched primer on sex education stirs up accusations of pornography and child abuse. Picture books about two mommies (or two penguin daddies) set off a hue and cry. Two hugely popular children’s series run afoul of would-be censors, one for its scatological humor, the other because it’s deemed too scary. Kids’ books that touch on race, sex, LGBTQ matters, the occult, “coarse language,” and more have found themselves under the scrutiny of those who challenge First Amendment rights.

Tune in as thirteen top children’s and young adult authors speak out about what it’s like to have your work banned or challenged in America today. Prompted by Leonard S. Marcus’s insightful questions, they discuss why their books have faced censorship—both blatant and “soft”—how the challenges have or haven’t affected their writing, and why some people feel they have the right to deny access to books. In addition, Leonard S. Marcus puts First Amendment challenges in a historical context and takes a promising look at the vibrant support network that has risen up to protect and defend young people’s rights.

Authors interviewed include:
Matt de la Peña
Robie H. Harris
Susan Kuklin
David Levithan
Meg Medina
Lesléa Newman
Katherine Paterson
Dav Pilkey
Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell
Sonya Sones
R. L. Stine
Angie Thomas.

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You Can't Say That!: Writers for Young People Talk About Censorship, Free Expression, and the Stories They Have to Tell

What happens when freedom of expression comes under threat? In frank and wide-ranging interviews, historian and critic Leonard S. Marcus probes the experience of thirteen leading authors of books for young people.

A powerful photo essay on transgender teens is called anti-religious and anti-family. A meticulously researched primer on sex education stirs up accusations of pornography and child abuse. Picture books about two mommies (or two penguin daddies) set off a hue and cry. Two hugely popular children’s series run afoul of would-be censors, one for its scatological humor, the other because it’s deemed too scary. Kids’ books that touch on race, sex, LGBTQ matters, the occult, “coarse language,” and more have found themselves under the scrutiny of those who challenge First Amendment rights.

Tune in as thirteen top children’s and young adult authors speak out about what it’s like to have your work banned or challenged in America today. Prompted by Leonard S. Marcus’s insightful questions, they discuss why their books have faced censorship—both blatant and “soft”—how the challenges have or haven’t affected their writing, and why some people feel they have the right to deny access to books. In addition, Leonard S. Marcus puts First Amendment challenges in a historical context and takes a promising look at the vibrant support network that has risen up to protect and defend young people’s rights.

Authors interviewed include:
Matt de la Peña
Robie H. Harris
Susan Kuklin
David Levithan
Meg Medina
Lesléa Newman
Katherine Paterson
Dav Pilkey
Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell
Sonya Sones
R. L. Stine
Angie Thomas.

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You Can't Say That!: Writers for Young People Talk About Censorship, Free Expression, and the Stories They Have to Tell

You Can't Say That!: Writers for Young People Talk About Censorship, Free Expression, and the Stories They Have to Tell

You Can't Say That!: Writers for Young People Talk About Censorship, Free Expression, and the Stories They Have to Tell

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What happens when freedom of expression comes under threat? In frank and wide-ranging interviews, historian and critic Leonard S. Marcus probes the experience of thirteen leading authors of books for young people.

A powerful photo essay on transgender teens is called anti-religious and anti-family. A meticulously researched primer on sex education stirs up accusations of pornography and child abuse. Picture books about two mommies (or two penguin daddies) set off a hue and cry. Two hugely popular children’s series run afoul of would-be censors, one for its scatological humor, the other because it’s deemed too scary. Kids’ books that touch on race, sex, LGBTQ matters, the occult, “coarse language,” and more have found themselves under the scrutiny of those who challenge First Amendment rights.

Tune in as thirteen top children’s and young adult authors speak out about what it’s like to have your work banned or challenged in America today. Prompted by Leonard S. Marcus’s insightful questions, they discuss why their books have faced censorship—both blatant and “soft”—how the challenges have or haven’t affected their writing, and why some people feel they have the right to deny access to books. In addition, Leonard S. Marcus puts First Amendment challenges in a historical context and takes a promising look at the vibrant support network that has risen up to protect and defend young people’s rights.

Authors interviewed include:
Matt de la Peña
Robie H. Harris
Susan Kuklin
David Levithan
Meg Medina
Lesléa Newman
Katherine Paterson
Dav Pilkey
Justin Richardson and Peter Parnell
Sonya Sones
R. L. Stine
Angie Thomas.


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ISBN-13: 9780763698522
Publisher: Candlewick Press
Publication date: 07/13/2021
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Format: eBook
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Age Range: 10 Years

About the Author

Leonard S. Marcus is one of the world’s leading writers about children’s books and the people who create them. He is the award-winning author of more than twenty-five books, including Show Me a Story! Why Picture Books Matter; Dear Genius: The Letters of Ursula Nordstrom; The Wand in the Word: Conversations with Writers of Fantasy; Funny Business: Conversations with Writers of Comedy; and Comics Confidential: Thirteen Graphic Novelists Talk Story, Craft, and Life Outside the Box. His essays, interviews, and reviews appear in the New York Times Book Review and Horn Book magazine. A founding trustee of the Eric Carle Museum of Picture Book Art, he teaches at New York University and the School of Visual Arts and lectures about his work across the world. He lives in Brooklyn, New York.

“I wanted my kids to stay healthy, so I had to give them accurate information,” said Robie H. Harris (1940–2024), whose training and deep interest in child development—and experience as a parent—made her realize how difficult but necessary it is to answer kids’ questions about sex. Consultations with other parents, kids, educators, doctors, psychologists, and scientists confirmed the critical need for books like It’s Perfectly Normal, It’s So Amazing!, and It’s Not The Stork!, all illustrated by Michael Emberley. Used as trusted resources around the world, these definitive books—known collectively as The Family Library—answer kids’ questions about sex and sexual health in a manner that assures even the most squeamish reader that “it’s perfectly normal.”

Robie H. Harris used her expertise in child development in numerous picture books as well. About Happy Birth Day!, illustrated by Michael Emberley, she said, “This is a story my children asked me to tell them over and over again when they were young. I think they loved hearing about all the things they could do on the day they were born.” Hi New Baby!, also illustrated by Michael Emberley, was another book inspired by her own children. “When my older child met his new baby brother, he was full of feelings—excitement and disappointment when he finally saw the baby, surprise that the new baby was so tiny, upset when the baby cried, bored when the baby slept, angry that he was no longer the baby, and proud when he realized that he could make the baby stop crying.”

Robie H. Harris tackled a common bugaboo faced by parents and children in Don’t Forget to Come Back!, illustrated by New Yorker cartoonist Harry Bliss. The all-too-familiar tale wisely and wittily captures the many emotions children face when parents go out—and a babysitter comes in.

In more recent years, Robie H. Harris authored a series of books known as the Let’s Talk About You and Me series, providing easy-to-understand facts and answers to kids’ delightful, thoughtful, and often nonstop questions. Illustrated by Nadine Bernard Westcott, these include Who Has What? All About Girls’ Bodies and Boys’ Bodies; Who’s in My Family? All About Our Families; and What’s in There? All About Before You Were Born.

In addition to being an award-winning author, Robie H. Harris was a popular speaker around the country. A graduate of Wheaton College and the Bank Street College of Education, Robie H. Harris had plenty of hands-on experience working with kids, including as director of an early childhood after-school program and as a teacher. She also co-produced and directed Child’s Eye View, a film on the daily life of children in Hell’s Kitchen, and had professional affiliations too numerous to count.


I was lucky. When I was a kid my family introduced me to art, theater, and books. Dinner talk often centered around the idea of social justice for all. I listened—and wanted to know more. My dream, though, was to become a ballerina or a stage actress. After high school I moved to New York, where I majored in theater at New York University. Becoming a character in a play was so much fun. It was not that I didn’t like being me, I was simply curious to know what it was like to be someone else. Then my uncle bought a Leica camera, and my life changed. Together we began exploring the world through the lens of his camera. Somehow the combination of theater arts and photography helped me develop into a nonfiction author. Go figure.

Beyond Magenta brings together so many things that are deep inside my bones: social justice, photography, and interpreting the lives of diverse human beings. I’ve learned so much from the wonderful teens in my book. With their help, I continue to grow.


Meg Medina, the 2023­­­­–2024 National Ambassador for Young People’s Literature,is a Cuban American author who writes for readers of all ages. Her middle-grade novel Merci Suárez Changes Gears received a Newbery Medal and was a New York Times Book Review Notable Children’s Book of the Year, among many other distinctions. Its sequel, Merci Suárez Can’t Dance, received five starred reviews, while Merci Suárez Plays It Cool received four stars, with Kirkus Reviews calling it “a fabulous finale to a memorable trilogy.” Her most recent picture book, Evelyn Del Rey Is Moving Away, received honors including a Charlotte Zolotow Award and was the 2020 Jumpstart Read for the Record selection, reaching 2.24 million readers. She received a Pura Belpré Author Award Honor for her picture book Mango, Abuela, and Me. Her young adult novel Burn Baby Burn earned numerous distinctions, including being long-listed for the National Book Award and short-listed for the Kirkus Prize. Meg Medina received a Pura Belpré Author Award and a Cybils Award for her young adult novel Yaqui Delgado Wants to Kick Your Ass, which has been adapted and illustrated as a graphic novel by Mel Valentine Vargas. She also received an Ezra Jack Keats Writer Award for her picture book Tía Isa Wants a Car.

Meg Medina’s work examines how cultures and identity intersect through the eyes of young people, and she brings audiences stories that speak to both what is culturally specific and what is universal. Her favorite protagonists are strong girls.

When she is not writing, Meg Medina works on community projects that support girls, Latino youth, and literacy. She lives with her family in Richmond, Virginia.


Lesléa Newman is the author of more than sixty books for children and adults, including the 2013 Stonewall Honor Book October Mourning: A Song for Matthew Shepard.


I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and on Long Island, and I have been writing poems and stories ever since I can remember. The first thing I ever published was a poem I wrote when I was a teenager, which appeared in Seventeen magazine. I studied poetics at a school in Boulder, Colorado, called Naropa Institute (now Naropa University), and where I worked with Allen Ginsberg, one of my heroes. I now live in Massachusetts with my spouse, Mary Vazquez, and our cat Princess Sheba Darling (who is very spoiled). When I am not writing, I am wishing I was writing! I also read a lot, do crossword puzzles, go to movies and plays, weed the garden, and play with the cat (when she’ll let me). In addition to writing, I travel around the country, visiting high schools, colleges, libraries, and other community settings to speak out against anti-gay bullying.

I have published more than sixty books for readers of all ages on all types of subjects. Often I’m asked which of my books is my favorite. I always answer, “The one I haven’t written yet!” My poetry collection, October Mourning: A Song for Matthew Shepard, is a book that’s very dear to my heart and very important to me. If reading this book stops even one kid from bullying another, I will feel like I have done my job. I wrote the book by writing a poem a day for more than two months, and then going back over them to revise, revise, revise. I also did a lot of research: I read books, looked at videos, talked to people, studied the Matthew Shepard archives at the University of Wyoming, and visited the site where the hate crime that killed Matt took place.

Three Things You Might Not Know About Me:

1. I have a green belt in karate (Shuri-Ryu style).

2. I can turn a canoe on a dime (using a J-stroke or C-stroke).

3. I was once a clue in a New York Times crossword puzzle.

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FOREWORD
When telling the story of America, its founding, and the myriad tales that make up the history of this great nation, it must be noted that we have both consciously omitted critical information and marginalized perspectives crucial to comprehension of our American story in full. In a concerted attempt to avoid the harsh judgment of history and risk offense to our national self-­image, we have been overall less than forthcoming with the truth of exactly how America came into such greatness.
   Writing in defense of a free press, Benjamin Franklin famously observed, “If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed.”
   Although the publishing of books in the modern era has seen much improvement in creating space for those voices traditionally excluded from the American narrative, there is obviously much more work to be done. If it can be said that “history is written by the winners,” the battle for representation in America’s story has erupted into full-­scale cultural warfare. At the heart of this conflict is an alarming uptick in efforts to ban certain books in this country. I shouldn’t need to point out the dangerous precedents of such efforts, but neither should it still be necessary to point out the existence of gross, systemic inequalities based on race that are baked into the DNA of our nation.
   Censorship in the hands of those in the majority, used to silence the voices of those in the minority, is tyranny.
   When signing a bill increasing federal aid for library services, President Lyndon Baines Johnson said, “Books and ideas are the most effective weapons against intolerance and ignorance.” As I write this, efforts are being made to remove books from libraries and schoolrooms under the guise of “protecting” our children. Literature discussing America’s racial history is being framed as harmful to our kids, as it might cause some of them to feel uncomfortable. Confronting history that is controversial can be discomfiting to some; however, it can also provide a pathway to healing for others. It makes no sense to shield our children from truths told in an age-­appropriate manner, and these efforts have no place in a healthy, functioning democracy. 
   On the banning of books, one of my favorite authors, Kurt Vonnegut, quipped, “I hate it that Americans are taught to fear some books and some ideas as though they were diseases.” As his and the other quotes above indicate, censorship and the blatant erasure of thoughts and ideas that challenge the status quo are not new to our national discourse. We stand yet again at another defining moment in America. Our ideas about who we are as a nation and exactly what truths we hold to be self-­evident are being examined and re-­evaluated daily. The truth is, diverse voices are finally making themselves heard—in the public sphere as well as the historical record. And they will not be denied. America’s promise has always existed in our potential to harness the power of our rich diversity in service to the entirety of her citizenry. E pluribus unum . . . out of many, one. Any attempt to deny that truth by banning books is ultimately unwise, ill-­advised, and anti-American.

INTRODUCTION
censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary

It’s hard being a person.
We all know that.
—from “Runaway Teen” by William Stafford

At the age of ten, it thrilled me to learn that history had once been made in Mount Vernon, New York, the quiet, tree-­lined suburban town where my parents had chosen to raise their family. Quiet it was, with an imposing Carnegie library, an annual Fourth of July parade, one ten-­story “skyscraper,” and a place to grab a twenty-­five-­cent slice after school among the highlights. Back in pre–Revolutionary War times, though—​the 1730s to be exact—​Mount Vernon had been the site of real fireworks when a fearless news­paper publisher and journalist named John Peter Zenger dared to expose the assorted crimes of New York Colony’s corrupt royal governor William Cosby, among them an attempt to fix a local election in which Mount Vernon’s St. Paul’s Church played a pivotal role. Enraged by the bad press, the governor had jailed Zenger, claiming his fiery verbal attacks were unlawful. At trial, the judge and jury disagreed with Cosby, and the charges against Zenger were dropped on the grounds that to publish the truth could never be a crime. In 1789, the Founding Fathers cited the Zenger case as they drafted the First
   Amendment to the United States Constitution, a sweeping statement of principles that guaranteed citizens freedom of speech, of the press, and of religion and assembly, and the right to criticize their government. Ever since then, the First Amendment has stood as a shield protecting a wide swath of the basic rights that we as Americans enjoy, including the freedom to read and write whatever we please. As such, it has also served as a power­ful safeguard against efforts at censorship, including those aimed at books for children and teens.
   I can still recall the pride with which my fourth-­grade teacher spoke to us about the Zenger trial, the First Amendment, and their long-­term consequences. Thanks to the Founding Fathers’ foresight and wisdom, she said, Americans had won the battle for freedom of expression. Lucky us for being the heirs to that noble legacy!
   As I later realized, the story of that battle was far more complex, and far from over; attempts to censor the printed (and spoken) word have been a recurring feature of American history. In 1821, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court banned the sale of a spicy English novel called Fanny Hill as an imminent threat to public morality. In 1873, Congress passed the Comstock Act, which, by making it illegal to send printed items ranging from erotica to birth control manuals through the mail, effectively denied access to these materials to millions of readers. Anthony Comstock, the bombastic moralist whose New York Society for the Suppression of Vice had vigorously lobbied for the legislation, next took aim at a type of sensational adventure fiction then attracting legions of teenage readers. Fans of “dime novels” purchased the spellbinding paperbacks at newsstands with their own pocket money and could not get enough of them. Comstock, however, certain the books were a corrupting influence, warned parents that, “[If] read before the intellect is quickened or judgment matured sufficient to show the harm of dwelling on these things, [then dime novels will] educate our youth in all the odious features of crime.” Once again turning the postal system to his advantage, he managed to have the publishers’ second-­class-­postage permits revoked, thereby sending their shipping costs skyrocketing. Comstock was a self-­righteous bully on a mission to impose his own morals on everyone. Imagine what damage he might have done in the age of Twitter.

Table of Contents

Introduction ix

Matt De La Peña 1

Robie H. Harris 17

Susan Kuklin 41

David Levithan 61

Meg Medina 75

Lesléa Newman 89

Katherine Paterson 107

Dav Pilkey 126

Justin Richardson And Peter Parnell 142

Sonya Sones 159

R. L. Stine 173

Angie Thomas 187

Acknowledgments 203

Source Notes 205

Selected Reading 209

Index 213

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